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My Ornelas Ancestry

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    By mendezdetorres | Sun, 2007-06-17 00:03

    Below is my Ornelas line and ancestry.

    1.Daniel Mendez del Camino b. 1992 in San Jose, California, United States
    2.Jose Gabriel Mendez Cortez b. 1956 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
    3.Martin Mendez Serrano b. 1917 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
    4.Lucia Serrano Rubio b. 1889 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
    5.Juan Jose Serrano Gutierrez b. 1853 in Zapotiltic, Jalisco, Mexico
    6.Jose Jesus Francisco Serrano de Leon b. 1825 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
    7.Alexandro de Cerrano y de Ornelas b. 1799 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
    8.Maria Juana Rafaela Alvina de Hornelas y Garcia b. 1771 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
    9.Manuel Antonio de Hornelas y Basques de Lara b. 1737 San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
    10.Gregorio de Hornellas y de la Crus b. 1713 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
    11.Juan de Dios de Hornellas y Sanches b. 1669 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
    12.Andres de Ornellas y de Orosco b. 1636 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico
    13.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas y Hurtado de Mendosa b. 1598 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
    14.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas (mother is uknown) b. 1561 in Mexico City, D.F., Mexico
    15.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas, 11th Count of Dornelas (mother is uknown) b. 1530/1532 (disputed) in Mexico City, D.F., Mexico
    16.Alvaro Albares de Ornelas y Fernandes de Abreu, 10th Count of Dornelas b. 1496 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    17.Alvaro Albares de Ornelas y Fernandes de Saavedra, 9th Count of Dornelas b. 1456 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    Henceforth the one who started this LONG chain of Alvaro Albares de Ornelas!
    18.Alvaro Lopes de Ornelas y de Ayala, 8th Count of Dornelas b. 1424 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    19.Lope Esteves de Ornelas y de Portugal , 7th Count of Dornelas b. 1384 in Lisbon, Lisbon, Portugal (His mother was Dona Estefania, Princess of Portugal. Illegitimate Daughter of Pedro I, King of Portugal
    20. Pedro Anes de Ornelas, 6th Count of Dornelas b. 1354 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    21. Martim Joaes de Ornelas, 5th Count of Dornelas b. 1324 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    22. Joao Joaes de Ornelas y, Pires de Cardoso, 4th Count of Dornelas b. 1294 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    23. Joao Pires de Ornelas y Anes de Freitas, 3rd Count of Dornelas b. 1264 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    24. Pedro Fernandes de Ornelas, 2nd Count of Dornelas b. 1234 in Madeira, Madeira, Portugal
    25. Fernando Fernandes y Anes de Ornelas, 1st Count of Dornelas b. 1204 in Veloso, Leon, Spain
    26. Juan Fernandes de Veloso, 7th Count of Veloso b. 1174 in Veloso, Leon, Spain
    27. Rui Fernandes de Veloso y de Aragon, 6th Count of Veloso b. 1144 in Aragon, Aragon, Spain
    (His mother was Dona Ximena de Aragon, Princess of Aragon, illegitimate daughter of Alfonso I, King of Aragon.)
    28. Fernando Rodrigues de Veloso, 5th Count of Veloso b. 1114 in Velso, Veloso, Spain
    29. Rodrigo Fernandes de Veloso y de Vella, 4th Count of Veloso b. 1084 in Veloso, Veloso, Spain
    30. Fernando Rodrigues de Veloso y de Francia, 3rd Count of Veloso b. 1054 in Paris, Paris, France
    (His mother was Alembert Capet, Princess of France, daughter Henry I Capet, King of France)
    31. Rodrigo Sanches de Veloso y de Frolas, 2nd Count of Veloso b. 1024 in Leon, Leon, Spain
    32. Sancho Ramires de Leon y Gomes de Saldana, 1st Count of Veloso and Prince of Leon b. 984 in Leon, Leon, Spain
    33. Ramiro III Sanches de Leon, King of Leon b. 961 in Leon, Leon, Spain

    Here are the sources there also some websites but need to go back and write them down.
    From: Dornelas, Afonso; Dornelas, origem Deste apelido (there is a exemplary in Funchal Library)
    The Transalation from Portegues: The Origin of the Ornelas Surname, Im not sure where to buy it, would be a good book to have. Well thats it for now because the genealogy never ends it goes all the way back to the time of the Roman Empire and Jesus Christ so yeah. I think its really fun when you connect into a royal family. I have checked and your husband and I connect with almost every royal European family today, I think its really cool to know this. You may also be wondering Alvaro de Ornelas the one born in 1530-1532 did infact plea the King of Portugal to keep his fathers title in the 1560's when his father died. So what does that mean? Not only did that title came to Mexico it stayed there. The big question is who is the Heir to that title? Someone in Mexico right now is the rightful heir to the County of Dornelas. No one knows what happened to it, Ive been researching but have not found anything for the title after 1611 when Alvaro died. And there is no record of Alvaro the one born in 1530 to have children in Portugal. He only had to return in order to officially become Count of Dornelas but quickly returned to Jalisco. so the title did in fact say Mexico. Not like the Moctezuma line in which some returned to Spain. The Ornelas stayed in Jalisco. And Emilie I have some tips for you. I think youll need to extend your Ornelas line back to 1690-1710 because thats when I have a Benito Ornelas and I think your Benito is the ancestor of you Benito so I hope your husband and I can connect in the future. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

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    meef98367

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    My Ornelas Ancestry

    Thank you, Daniel,

    We lived in San Jose, CA from 1947 to 1997 when we retired and moved up here to the Northwest. My husband was born in El Paso, TX and I was born in Brush, CO. We'll be going to San Jose in October for my 50th high school reunion (SJ High-Class of '57), then on to Salt Lake City to do some research.

    Emilie Garcia
    Port Orchard, WA
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: mormonboy74
    To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
    Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:03 AM
    Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] My Ornelas Ancestry

    Below is my Ornelas line and ancestry.

    1.Daniel Mendez del Camino b. 1992 in San Jose, California, United States
    2.Jose Gabriel Mendez Cortez b. 1956 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
    3.Martin Mendez Serrano b. 1917 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
    4.Lucia Serrano Rubio b. 1889 in Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
    5.Juan Jose Serrano Gutierrez b. 1853 in Zapotiltic, Jalisco, Mexico
    6.Jose Jesus Francisco Serrano de Leon b. 1825 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
    7.Alexandro de Cerrano y de Ornelas b. 1799 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
    8.Maria Juana Rafaela Alvina de Hornelas y Garcia b. 1771 in Ciudad Manuel Doblado, Guanajuato, Mexico
    9.Manuel Antonio de Hornelas y Basques de Lara b. 1737 San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
    10.Gregorio de Hornellas y de la Crus b. 1713 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
    11.Juan de Dios de Hornellas y Sanches b. 1669 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
    12.Andres de Ornellas y de Orosco b. 1636 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico
    13.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas y Hurtado de Mendosa b. 1598 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
    14.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas (mother is uknown) b. 1561 in Mexico City, D.F., Mexico
    15.Alvaro Albares de Ornellas, 11th Count of Dornelas (mother is uknown) b. 1530/1532 (disputed) in Mexico City, D.F., Mexico
    16.Alvaro Albares de Ornelas y Fernandes de Abreu, 10th Count of Dornelas b. 1496 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    17.Alvaro Albares de Ornelas y Fernandes de Saavedra, 9th Count of Dornelas b. 1456 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    Henceforth the one who started this LONG chain of Alvaro Albares de Ornelas!
    18.Alvaro Lopes de Ornelas y de Ayala, 8th Count of Dornelas b. 1424 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    19.Lope Esteves de Ornelas y de Portugal , 7th Count of Dornelas b. 1384 in Lisbon, Lisbon, Portugal (His mother was Dona Estefania, Princess of Portugal. Illegitimate Daughter of Pedro I, King of Portugal
    20. Pedro Anes de Ornelas, 6th Count of Dornelas b. 1354 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    21. Martim Joaes de Ornelas, 5th Count of Dornelas b. 1324 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    22. Joao Joaes de Ornelas y, Pires de Cardoso, 4th Count of Dornelas b. 1294 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    23. Joao Pires de Ornelas y Anes de Freitas, 3rd Count of Dornelas b. 1264 in Dornelas, Madeira, Portugal
    24. Pedro Fernandes de Ornelas, 2nd Count of Dornelas b. 1234 in Madeira, Madeira, Portugal
    25. Fernando Fernandes y Anes de Ornelas, 1st Count of Dornelas b. 1204 in Veloso, Leon, Spain
    26. Juan Fernandes de Veloso, 7th Count of Veloso b. 1174 in Veloso, Leon, Spain
    27. Rui Fernandes de Veloso y de Aragon, 6th Count of Veloso b. 1144 in Aragon, Aragon, Spain
    (His mother was Dona Ximena de Aragon, Princess of Aragon, illegitimate daughter of Alfonso I, King of Aragon.)
    28. Fernando Rodrigues de Veloso, 5th Count of Veloso b. 1114 in Velso, Veloso, Spain
    29. Rodrigo Fernandes de Veloso y de Vella, 4th Count of Veloso b. 1084 in Veloso, Veloso, Spain
    30. Fernando Rodrigues de Veloso y de Francia, 3rd Count of Veloso b. 1054 in Paris, Paris, France
    (His mother was Alembert Capet, Princess of France, daughter Henry I Capet, King of France)
    31. Rodrigo Sanches de Veloso y de Frolas, 2nd Count of Veloso b. 1024 in Leon, Leon, Spain
    32. Sancho Ramires de Leon y Gomes de Saldana, 1st Count of Veloso and Prince of Leon b. 984 in Leon, Leon, Spain
    33. Ramiro III Sanches de Leon, King of Leon b. 961 in Leon, Leon, Spain

    Here are the sources there also some websites but need to go back and write them down.
    From: Dornelas, Afonso; Dornelas, origem Deste apelido (there is a exemplary in Funchal Library)
    The Transalation from Portegues: The Origin of the Ornelas Surname, Im not sure where to buy it, would be a good book to have. Well thats it for now because the genealogy never ends it goes all the way back to the time of the Roman Empire and Jesus Christ so yeah. I think its really fun when you connect into a royal family. I have checked and your husband and I connect with almost every royal European family today, I think its really cool to know this. You may also be wondering Alvaro de Ornelas the one born in 1530-1532 did infact plea the King of Portugal to keep his fathers title in the 1560's when his father died. So what does that mean? Not only did that title came to Mexico it stayed there. The big question is who is the Heir to that title? Someone in Mexico right now is the rightful heir to the County of Dornelas. No one knows what happened to it, Ive been researching but have not found anything for the title after 1611 when Alvaro died. And there is no record of Alv
    ar
    o the on
    e born in 1530 to have children in Portugal. He only had to return in order to officially become Count of Dornelas but quickly returned to Jalisco. so the title did in fact say Mexico. Not like the Moctezuma line in which some returned to Spain. The Ornelas stayed in Jalisco. And Emilie I have some tips for you. I think youll need to extend your Ornelas line back to 1690-1710 because thats when I have a Benito Ornelas and I think your Benito is the ancestor of you Benito so I hope your husband and I can connect in the future. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

    R.A.Ricci (not verified)

    16 years 7 months ago

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    alvaro ornelas ancestry and error

    I am sorry to say that both lines cannot be correct. You wrote one line showing your ancestry from the ornelas with Estefania as an illegitimate daughter of Pedro I of Portugal. The second line where you show descendency from Charlemagne has her as his granddaughter, daughter of Joao I de Aviz , rey de Portugal .
    Which is the correct line and can you send me the sources because I have been unable to find estefania to correct this error. Also do you have any of the mothers in the line so I can trace them back?
    If she is the daughter of Joao I de Aviz, king of Port. then is her mother Ines peres Estevez. She was a mistress of Joao I that gave her 3 children that I have in my records. I do not have estefania in there yet and not until this is clarified. This would explain the esteves in Lope esteves de Ornelas y Portugal.

    R.A.Ricci

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    mendezdetorres

    16 years 7 months ago

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    alvaro ornelas ancestry and error

    No I dont remember connecting her to Pedro, she is aughter of Joao I, it is well known I got my source from Funchel (did I spell it right) The archives from Madeira, ask Steven Hernandez he is searching all of there records right now. I can send you a scan of the paragrph saying the Ornelas are of the Casa Real of Joao I. -Daniel

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    Pat Silva Corbera

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    alvaro ornelas ancestry and error

    Hi Daniel,

    The correct spelling is Funchal. I would also like to receive the scan of the paragraph referring to the Ornelas are of the Casa Real of Joao I.

    Pat Silva Corbera
    patriciacorbera@comcast.net

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Daniel M�ndez del Camino"
    To: "Patty Hoyos"
    Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:28:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
    Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] alvaro ornelas ancestry and error

    No I dont remember connecting her to Pedro, she is aughter of Joao I, it is well known I got my source from Funchel (did I spell it right) The archives from Madeira, ask Steven Hernandez he is searching all of there records right now. I can send you a scan of the paragrph saying the Ornelas are of the Casa Real of Joao I. -Daniel

    Esperanza

    16 years 7 months ago

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    alvaro ornelas ancestry and error

    Hello Daniel,
    May I also receive this paragraph at epallana@sonic.net?

    Thanks!
    -Esperanza

    > Hi Daniel,
    >
    > The correct spelling is Funchal. I would also like to receive the scan of
    > the paragraph referring to the Ornelas are of the Casa Real of Joao I.
    >
    > Pat Silva Corbera
    > patriciacorbera@comcast.net
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Daniel M�ndez del Camino"
    > To: "Patty Hoyos"
    > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:28:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada
    > Pacific
    > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] alvaro ornelas ancestry and error
    >
    >
    > No I dont remember connecting her to Pedro, she is aughter of Joao I, it
    > is well known I got my source from Funchel (did I spell it right) The
    > archives from Madeira, ask Steven Hernandez he is searching all of there
    > records right now. I can send you a scan of the paragrph saying the
    > Ornelas are of the Casa Real of Joao I. -Daniel
    >
    >

    R.A.Ricci (not verified)

    16 years 7 months ago

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    ornelas source

    Are these records available here in the united states? I would just like to verify the source and see what other information I can glean from them.

    R.A.Ricci

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    mendezdetorres

    16 years 7 months ago

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    ornelas source

    No but you can look up there website and should have them on line. Ask Steven he know all the websites for the Ornellas family and there archives. -Daniel

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    funchal

    I am looking at his same list on this communication where you say estefania is the illegitimate daughter of Pedro I , king of portugal on line 19.

    Is Estefania's mother Joao I's jewish mistress Ines Peres Esteves daughter of Pedro Esteves and Mecia Annes

    Where can I find the source and yes I would like any information that you have. I would love to have the photograph.

    Please send to rricci@lausd.net and riccihome@yahoo.com

    Even though I use the rricci address more I have trouble sometimes opening attachments and photographs. It is a work e-mail address and they put all sorts of blocks up to try and stop viruses.
    R.A.Ricci

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    funchal

    I can scan the actual esquema later in the week. It has a source and everything! Yes, Ines is Joao's mistress and had Estefanía who married the Lords of Ornelas. -Daniel

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