Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
David in Albany
-----Original Message-----
>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>
>Linda,
>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
Dear Group,
Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
From: La Plus Belle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
When I first told my husband that I had linked with the famous Rodrigo Diaz Bivar (aka El Cid), he simply rolled his eyes and proceeded to tell there was "no such person," it's a myth... ok, what did I know, I actually believed him. But with time and more research I was able to convince him that El Cid was real...
Viva El Cid... my 33rd Great Grandfather
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA USA
AliceBB wrote:
Dear Group,
Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
From: La Plus Belle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
PS.. If the Spanish conquistadores had had the foresight and appreciation that the Romans had of the Greek civilization and hadn't tried to totally destroy the Mexica/Azteca libraries and culture, we would have wonderful epic poems the indigenous emperors themselves had written. It sustains my belief in the inherent wisdom of mankind, when I read that some of our group members feel it just as important to seek our indigineous roots as those from Europe. Alice
From: AliceBB
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:28:58 -0800
Dear Group,
Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
From: La Plus Belle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
I wish you would interrupt more often, you speak with such knowledge and wisdom and it is always a joy to listen to those who have something valuable to share. So many wise and knowledgeable people in the group.......one of the many joys of belonging to Nuestros Ranchos to have so many people knowledgeable not only about Mexican history but the history of the world.
Thank you Ranchos Members
David,
Deberia de interumpir con mas frecuencia, habla usted tan elocuentemente y con sabiduria. Siempre es un gran placer eschuchar cuando alguien tiene algo valioso para contribuir con todos. Es el orgullo de este grupo el tener a tantos participantes con conocimiento no solo de la historia de Mexico sino de la historia de el munod. Que orgullo ser un miembro de Nuestros Ranchos.
Gracias a Todos los de Ranchos
----- Original Message ----
From: David P. Delgado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:09:11 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
David in Albany
-----Original Message-----
>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>
>Linda,
>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
Check out the writings of the Tlatoani of Texcoco, Nezahuacoytl
AliceBB wrote: PS.. If the Spanish conquistadores had had the foresight and appreciation that the Romans had of the Greek civilization and hadn't tried to totally destroy the Mexica/Azteca libraries and culture, we would have wonderful epic poems the indigenous emperors themselves had written. It sustains my belief in the inherent wisdom of mankind, when I read that some of our group members feel it just as important to seek our indigineous roots as those from Europe. Alice
From: AliceBB
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:28:58 -0800
Dear Group,
Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
From: La Plus Belle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
Thanks, Robert. Your message brought back memories of my mother. She was a teacher in Mexico and introduced me to precolombian history and the wonderful poetry of the Mexica king Nezahuacoytl. Alice
From: robert hernandez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:55:57 -0800 (PST)
Check out the writings of the Tlatoani of Texcoco, Nezahuacoytl
AliceBB wrote: PS.. If the Spanish conquistadores had had the foresight and appreciation that the Romans had of the Greek civilization and hadn't tried to totally destroy the Mexica/Azteca libraries and culture, we would have wonderful epic poems the indigenous emperors themselves had written. It sustains my belief in the inherent wisdom of mankind, when I read that some of our group members feel it just as important to seek our indigineous roots as those from Europe. Alice
From: AliceBB
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:28:58 -0800
Dear Group,
Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
From: La Plus Belle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
when you have time can you post a very simple straight line report
showing your connection, that is unless it is already there (just post
the URL in that case). I've always wondered if my Diaz were somehow part
of his Diaz. Would be fun to see how you make your way back that far. so
interesting. thanks.
Patricia Corbera wrote:
> When I first told my husband that I had linked with the famous Rodrigo Diaz Bivar (aka El Cid), he simply rolled his eyes and proceeded to tell there was "no such person," it's a myth... ok, what did I know, I actually believed him. But with time and more research I was able to convince him that El Cid was real...
> Viva El Cid... my 33rd Great Grandfather
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA USA
>
> AliceBB wrote:
> Dear Group,
> Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
>
> --- cavilah@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> From: La Plus Belle
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
>
> Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
>
> Cristina
>
> http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/ElCid1.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
>
> ~~~~~
>
> Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
>
> "David P. Delgado" wrote:
> Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
>
> David en Albany, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: "David P. Delgado"
>> Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>>
>> Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>>
>> David in Albany
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>> Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>>
>>> Linda,
>>> I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
>>>
>
>
>
> David P. Delgado
Sources ~ Various sources were used including:
~ Manuel Abranches de Soveral http://pwp.netcabo.pt/soveral/mas/DomFernando.htm
(Mr. Soveral is a noted published Portuguese historian)
~ Genea Portugal - Sapo
~ Familias da Ilha da Madeira and Porto Santo
~ Nobiliário da Ilha da Madeira, por Henrique Henriques de Noronha
~ The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. III
33 - Rodrigo Diaz Bivar (Campeador) b. abt 1043 Bivar-Burgos, Spain d. 10
July 1099 Valencia, Spain
Rodrigo m. Regent Ximena Gomes Diaz, daughter of Gomes de Gormas.
32 - Elvira Cristina Rodrigues Bivar m. Ramiro Sanchez son of Sancho Garcez
and Constanca de Maranon. Ramiro was the son of Garcia III King of Navarre
nickname: o de Najera
31 - Garcia IV Ramirez (King)
30 - Branca (Princess)
29 - Alfonso VIII b. 11 Nov 1155 Spain
28 - Branca de Castilla (Queen)
27 - Louis IX (Saint) b. 25 April 1214 (France)
26 - Branca de Franca (Princess)
25 - Afonso de Lacerda (Prince)
24 - Afonso de Lacerda
23 - Carlos de Lacerda (Count)
22 - N. de Lacerda (first name not known)
21 - Martim Goncalves de Lacerda
20 - Isabel Pereira de Lacerda
19 - Goncalo Aires Ferreira
18 - Eva Gomes Ferreira
17 - Brites Vaz Ferreira
16 - Ignez Moniz
15 - Guiomar Moniz
14 - Ignez Alvares da Rua
~From this point down, my pedigee charts were prepared by the now retired
director of the Madeira, Portugal Archives ~
Time Frame ~ abt 1485 to present
13 - Branca de Atouguia
12 - Rodrigo Alvares da Costa
11 - Leonor da Costa
10 - Jorge Pinto da Costa
9 - Isabel de Amil
8 - Joao Barreto
7 - Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade
6 - Jacome Cesar de Lira
5 - Agueda Cesar e Lira
4 - Pedro Homem d'El-Rei
3 - Ana Delfina Cesar
2 - Ana Cesar Ferreira
1 - Maria Augusta Rodrigues
Maternal Grandfather - Antonio da Silva Se' b. 1881 Lombo da Estrela,
Calheta, Madeira, Portugal
Pat Silva Corbera
California USA
p.s. comments and or corrections/additions welcomed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
when you have time can you post a very simple straight line report
showing your connection, that is unless it is already there (just post
the URL in that case). I've always wondered if my Diaz were somehow part
of his Diaz. Would be fun to see how you make your way back that far. so
interesting. thanks.
Patricia Corbera wrote:
> When I first told my husband that I had linked with the famous Rodrigo
> Diaz Bivar (aka El Cid), he simply rolled his eyes and proceeded to tell
> there was "no such person," it's a myth... ok, what did I know, I actually
> believed him. But with time and more research I was able to convince him
> that El Cid was real...
> Viva El Cid... my 33rd Great Grandfather
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA USA
>
> AliceBB wrote:
> Dear Group,
> Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were
> eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the
> Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from
> Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
>
> --- cavilah@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> From: La Plus Belle
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
>
> Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid"
> (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El
> Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this
> very interesting information about our cultural history...
>
> Cristina
>
> http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/ElCid1.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
>
> ~~~~~
>
> Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información
> sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la
> pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
>
> "David P. Delgado" wrote:
> Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes
> en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen
> arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero
> valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre
> los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el
> sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano.
> El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era
> original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra
> en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una
> busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este
> sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
>
> David en Albany, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: "David P. Delgado"
>> Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>>
>> Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The
>> name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of
>> the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al
>> said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el
>> sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition
>> of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is
>> usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy".
>> He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos
>> is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the
>> Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>>
>> David in Albany
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>> Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>>
>>> Linda,
>>> I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from
>>> Portugal.
>>>
>
>
>
> David P. Delgado
Cid
Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
David in Albany
-----Original Message-----
>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>
>Linda,
>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
Cid
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
David P. Delgado
Cid
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Cristina
http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/ElCid1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
~~~~~
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
David P. Delgado
Cid
Dear Group,
Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
--- cavilah@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: La Plus Belle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Cristina
http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/ElCid1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
~~~~~
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
David P. Delgado
Cid
When I first told my husband that I had linked with the famous Rodrigo Diaz Bivar (aka El Cid), he simply rolled his eyes and proceeded to tell there was "no such person," it's a myth... ok, what did I know, I actually believed him. But with time and more research I was able to convince him that El Cid was real...
Viva El Cid... my 33rd Great Grandfather
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA USA
AliceBB wrote:
Dear Group,
Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
--- cavilah@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: La Plus Belle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Cristina
http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/ElCid1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
~~~~~
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
David P. Delgado
Cid
PS.. If the Spanish conquistadores had had the foresight and appreciation that the Romans had of the Greek civilization and hadn't tried to totally destroy the Mexica/Azteca libraries and culture, we would have wonderful epic poems the indigenous emperors themselves had written. It sustains my belief in the inherent wisdom of mankind, when I read that some of our group members feel it just as important to seek our indigineous roots as those from Europe. Alice
--- alicebb@netscape.com wrote:
From: AliceBB
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:28:58 -0800
Dear Group,
Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
--- cavilah@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: La Plus Belle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Cristina
http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/ElCid1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
~~~~~
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
David P. Delgado
Cid
David,
I wish you would interrupt more often, you speak with such knowledge and wisdom and it is always a joy to listen to those who have something valuable to share. So many wise and knowledgeable people in the group.......one of the many joys of belonging to Nuestros Ranchos to have so many people knowledgeable not only about Mexican history but the history of the world.
Thank you Ranchos Members
David,
Deberia de interumpir con mas frecuencia, habla usted tan elocuentemente y con sabiduria. Siempre es un gran placer eschuchar cuando alguien tiene algo valioso para contribuir con todos. Es el orgullo de este grupo el tener a tantos participantes con conocimiento no solo de la historia de Mexico sino de la historia de el munod. Que orgullo ser un miembro de Nuestros Ranchos.
Gracias a Todos los de Ranchos
----- Original Message ----
From: David P. Delgado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:09:11 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
David in Albany
-----Original Message-----
>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>
>Linda,
>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
Cid
Check out the writings of the Tlatoani of Texcoco, Nezahuacoytl
AliceBB wrote: PS.. If the Spanish conquistadores had had the foresight and appreciation that the Romans had of the Greek civilization and hadn't tried to totally destroy the Mexica/Azteca libraries and culture, we would have wonderful epic poems the indigenous emperors themselves had written. It sustains my belief in the inherent wisdom of mankind, when I read that some of our group members feel it just as important to seek our indigineous roots as those from Europe. Alice
--- alicebb@netscape.com wrote:
From: AliceBB
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:28:58 -0800
Dear Group,
Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
--- cavilah@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: La Plus Belle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Cristina
http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/ElCid1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
~~~~~
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
David P. Delgado
Cid
Thanks, Robert. Your message brought back memories of my mother. She was a teacher in Mexico and introduced me to precolombian history and the wonderful poetry of the Mexica king Nezahuacoytl. Alice
--- tehuima2@yahoo.com wrote:
From: robert hernandez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:55:57 -0800 (PST)
Check out the writings of the Tlatoani of Texcoco, Nezahuacoytl
AliceBB wrote: PS.. If the Spanish conquistadores had had the foresight and appreciation that the Romans had of the Greek civilization and hadn't tried to totally destroy the Mexica/Azteca libraries and culture, we would have wonderful epic poems the indigenous emperors themselves had written. It sustains my belief in the inherent wisdom of mankind, when I read that some of our group members feel it just as important to seek our indigineous roots as those from Europe. Alice
--- alicebb@netscape.com wrote:
From: AliceBB
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:28:58 -0800
Dear Group,
Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
--- cavilah@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: La Plus Belle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
Cristina
http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/ElCid1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
~~~~~
Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
"David P. Delgado" wrote:
Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
David en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: "David P. Delgado"
>Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>
>Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>
>David in Albany
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>
>>Linda,
>>I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
David P. Delgado
Cid
when you have time can you post a very simple straight line report
showing your connection, that is unless it is already there (just post
the URL in that case). I've always wondered if my Diaz were somehow part
of his Diaz. Would be fun to see how you make your way back that far. so
interesting. thanks.
joseph
===================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Patricia Corbera wrote:
> When I first told my husband that I had linked with the famous Rodrigo Diaz Bivar (aka El Cid), he simply rolled his eyes and proceeded to tell there was "no such person," it's a myth... ok, what did I know, I actually believed him. But with time and more research I was able to convince him that El Cid was real...
> Viva El Cid... my 33rd Great Grandfather
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA USA
>
> AliceBB wrote:
> Dear Group,
> Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
>
> --- cavilah@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> From: La Plus Belle
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
>
> Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid" (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this very interesting information about our cultural history...
>
> Cristina
>
> http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/ElCid1.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
>
> ~~~~~
>
> Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
>
> "David P. Delgado" wrote:
> Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano. El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
>
> David en Albany, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: "David P. Delgado"
>> Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>>
>> Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy". He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>>
>> David in Albany
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>> Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>>
>>> Linda,
>>> I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from Portugal.
>>>
>
>
>
> David P. Delgado
Cid
Joseph,
Sources ~ Various sources were used including:
~ Manuel Abranches de Soveral
http://pwp.netcabo.pt/soveral/mas/DomFernando.htm
(Mr. Soveral is a noted published Portuguese historian)
~ Genea Portugal - Sapo
~ Familias da Ilha da Madeira and Porto Santo
~ Nobiliário da Ilha da Madeira, por Henrique Henriques de Noronha
~ The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. III
33 - Rodrigo Diaz Bivar (Campeador) b. abt 1043 Bivar-Burgos, Spain d. 10
July 1099 Valencia, Spain
Rodrigo m. Regent Ximena Gomes Diaz, daughter of Gomes de Gormas.
32 - Elvira Cristina Rodrigues Bivar m. Ramiro Sanchez son of Sancho Garcez
and Constanca de Maranon. Ramiro was the son of Garcia III King of Navarre
nickname: o de Najera
31 - Garcia IV Ramirez (King)
30 - Branca (Princess)
29 - Alfonso VIII b. 11 Nov 1155 Spain
28 - Branca de Castilla (Queen)
27 - Louis IX (Saint) b. 25 April 1214 (France)
26 - Branca de Franca (Princess)
25 - Afonso de Lacerda (Prince)
24 - Afonso de Lacerda
23 - Carlos de Lacerda (Count)
22 - N. de Lacerda (first name not known)
21 - Martim Goncalves de Lacerda
20 - Isabel Pereira de Lacerda
19 - Goncalo Aires Ferreira
18 - Eva Gomes Ferreira
17 - Brites Vaz Ferreira
16 - Ignez Moniz
15 - Guiomar Moniz
14 - Ignez Alvares da Rua
~From this point down, my pedigee charts were prepared by the now retired
director of the Madeira, Portugal Archives ~
Time Frame ~ abt 1485 to present
13 - Branca de Atouguia
12 - Rodrigo Alvares da Costa
11 - Leonor da Costa
10 - Jorge Pinto da Costa
9 - Isabel de Amil
8 - Joao Barreto
7 - Agueda Cesar Abreu Andrade
6 - Jacome Cesar de Lira
5 - Agueda Cesar e Lira
4 - Pedro Homem d'El-Rei
3 - Ana Delfina Cesar
2 - Ana Cesar Ferreira
1 - Maria Augusta Rodrigues
Maternal Grandfather - Antonio da Silva Se' b. 1881 Lombo da Estrela,
Calheta, Madeira, Portugal
Pat Silva Corbera
California USA
p.s. comments and or corrections/additions welcomed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
when you have time can you post a very simple straight line report
showing your connection, that is unless it is already there (just post
the URL in that case). I've always wondered if my Diaz were somehow part
of his Diaz. Would be fun to see how you make your way back that far. so
interesting. thanks.
joseph
===================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
Patricia Corbera wrote:
> When I first told my husband that I had linked with the famous Rodrigo
> Diaz Bivar (aka El Cid), he simply rolled his eyes and proceeded to tell
> there was "no such person," it's a myth... ok, what did I know, I actually
> believed him. But with time and more research I was able to convince him
> that El Cid was real...
> Viva El Cid... my 33rd Great Grandfather
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA USA
>
> AliceBB wrote:
> Dear Group,
> Many cultures have epic poems that originated as oral history and were
> eventually written. Among the most famous are Homer's the Iliad and the
> Odyssey from Greece, The Song of Roland from France, and El Cid from
> Spain. I love that stuff!! Alice
>
> --- cavilah@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> From: La Plus Belle
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:34:02 -0800 (PST)
>
> Yes, I had read about this also. There was a movie made about "El Cid"
> (link below) where Charleton Heston portrayed him. Very interesting. El
> Cid means "The Lord," from what I can understand...Thanks for sharing this
> very interesting information about our cultural history...
>
> Cristina
>
> http://charltonhestonworld.homestead.com/ElCid1.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
>
> ~~~~~
>
> Sí, también había escuchado ésto. Arriba incluí enlace a más información
> sobre ésta parte tan interesante de nuestra historia cultural y sobre la
> pelicula que se realizó con Charleton Heston como protagonista...
>
> "David P. Delgado" wrote:
> Dispensen. Se me olvido que hay socios quienes prefieren leer los mensajes
> en espanol. Simplemente les recuerdo que el nombre 'Cid' tiene origen
> arabe. Recuerden la historia de la Reconquista en Espana. Un guerrero
> valiente y capaz recibio el sobrenombre de 'al said' o 'el sayyid' entre
> los musulmanes en la Espana del siglo once. En Andalusia se decia 'el
> sidi'. El significado es 'senyor' en conocimiento del respeto que se gano.
> El nombre cristiano fue: Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar (o Ruy). Don Rodrigo era
> original del pueblo de Vivar cerca de Burgos, Espana. Burgos se encuentra
> en el mapa al norte de Madrid, cerca de la costa Cantabrica. Hagan una
> busqueda Google de y lean el articulo breve e informativo acerca de este
> sumamente importante protagonista de la historia iberica.
>
> David en Albany, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: "David P. Delgado"
>> Sent: Jan 30, 2007 1:09 PM
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cid
>>
>> Pardon me for interrupting the conversation about the name "Cid". The
>> name has an Arabic origin. In the mid-eleventh century a great leader of
>> the Christian forces emerged. The Arabic-speaking people called him "al
>> said" (or "sayyid"). The Andalusian dialect used the expressiion "el
>> sidi". The words mean "lord" as in "senor". It was an outward recognition
>> of the man's military, political and administrative tyalents. His name is
>> usually written as "Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar". Some writers call him "Ruy".
>> He was from the town of Vivar, Spain about six miles from Burgos. Burgos
>> is due north of Madrid close to the Cantabrian coast. Google and read the
>> Wikipedia article. It's short and mostly accurate.
>>
>> David in Albany
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Latina1955@aol.com
>>> Sent: Jan 29, 2007 7:35 PM
>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miguel Caldera and Maria Cid
>>>
>>> Linda,
>>> I think Cid is "Gallego", which might mean that it originates from
>>> Portugal.
>>>
>
>
>
> David P. Delgado